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Gordon Pennycook on Fighting Misinformation with AI


Smiling person in a suit against a blue background. Text: Gordon Pennycook. "Chatter that Matters, Presented by RBC" with RBC logo.



Why We’re Wired for Misinformation: Chatter That Matters with Gordon Pennycook

Discover why we're so easily fooled by misinformation and what we can do about it in this illuminating episode of Chatter That Matters. Host Tony Chapman + Host sits down with Gordon Pennycook, Associate Professor at Cornell University and acclaimed expert in human reasoning, trust, and misinformation. From his humble roots in small-town Saskatchewan to his cutting-edge research on the dangers of digital echo chambers, Gordon Pennycook explores how psychological habits and social media algorithms work together to impact how we think, feel, and act.

Unpacking the Misinformation Crisis

The conversation dives into how social media platforms exploit our innate psychological tendencies, feeding us outrage-driven headlines and “rage bait” that thrive in an attention economy. Gordon Pennycook emphasizes, “Once you take the truth constraint out, then you can say more things that will grab attention. And so there's a market for that sort of thing.”

The Power of Pause: Simple Techniques to Counter Fake News

But there’s hope. Drawing on his latest research, Gordon Pennycook shares how subtle reminders—like pausing to question accuracy before sharing—help people become much more discerning online. As he notes, “We're not giving them new information. It's just getting them more sensitive to the fact that they might be making bad decisions because they're not focusing on whether things are true—and they should be.”

From AI to Media Literacy: Tools for a Truthful Future

Explore how artificial intelligence can both exacerbate and combat misinformation. Gordon Pennycook unpacks practical interventions, the dangers of AI-powered “fake consensus,” and why teaching critical thinking is more crucial than ever. Thought-provoking insights on how modern opinion-driven media has blurred the lines between news and entertainment will have you rethinking your own information diet.

Key Topics Covered

  • The psychological roots of trust and why we tend to believe before we question

  • How tech giants and political elites manipulate outrage and division

  • Simple, evidence-backed strategies for spotting and stopping the spread of misinformation

  • The double-edged sword of AI as both a tool for truth and deception

  • The urgent need for digital and critical thinking education

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